Are Joe Biden’s Mouth, Feet and Girding of Loin Ominous or Harmless?

Babies are flexible little things, so I’m suspecting that as a newborn, Democratic vice-presidential candidate, Joe Biden, may have pulled up a tiny foot, stuck it in his mouth and nibbled around on his cute pink toes. He must have started early, for now in his later years, he is highly skilled in the art.

I’m probably with the majority as I try to understand the gentleman, but find his latest gaffe (if that’s what it is) downright puzzling.

A few days ago Biden issued a frightening warning when he told us that if his candidate–Senator Obama–is elected, a global issue of some sort will ensure a dangerous situation. You won’t like Obama’s response. It will not seem right, but you must stick with him. What?

Gird your loins,” he instructed. Gird your loins? What does that mean?

“Mark my words,” the man continued.”It will not be six months (after the inauguration) before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.”

“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

Of what does the man speak? What is with this dire warning? Does he have inside information? Is he saying, as many people have concluded, that Senator Obama’s lack of experience and perceived weakness by some will set up America as a target by countries not overly friendly to America ? What does he mean? Will someone please ask him?

The Biblical term “Gird your loins” implies preparation for a battle, or other challenge. Perhaps we should well take Mr. Biden’s advice.

72 thoughts on “Are Joe Biden’s Mouth, Feet and Girding of Loin Ominous or Harmless?

  1. Vaughn, it’s not likely that the Democrats will “fix” anything–at least as far as the general public judges. As of November 1, our Democratic Congress had an 18% approval rate.


  2. Wow that’s really scary Roberto, what it must be like the day before the Republican’s get their butts kicked out of office. Good ridance, they have done their best to screw up America, and have done a pretty good job of it. I hope the Dem’s can fix it.


  3. roberto

    The warning comes from multiple sources ina 72 hour period.

    Australian PM Kevin Rudd – “Nuke strike would make 9/11 insignificant” and other weird warnings
    October 21st, 2008 | New World Order

    By: D. H. Williams @ 6:38 PM – EST

    Over the last 72 hours there has been a strange melange of cryptic messages leaked from world political leaders about what could be in store for America over the next few months.

    These predictions of impending doom come from England, France, Australia and the United States. In each case there has been a press releases or news expose’ predicting huge and building threats emerging from faceless enemies in shadowy places.

    Crisis will lead to unpopular decisions by Barack Obama

    Joe Biden set the stage at a Seattle fund raiser for VIP’s last Sunday when he told the audience about an “international crisis” that will test Barack Obama’s Presidency should he be elected.

    Biden told the top Democratic donors that a “generated crisis” will develop within six months and Barak Obama will need the help of community leaders to control the population as unpopular decisions are made and Americans resist.

    Biden speaking at the fundraiser, “I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

    Colin Powell and Madeline Albright confirm Biden’s warnings

    Biden’s ominous language at the Seattle Sheraton are followed with statements by long time establishment insiders Colin Powell and Madeline Albright both say there is a massive crisis on the horizon and Biden was simply making a “statement in fact.”

    “The problems will always be there and there’s going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.” Powell told Meet the Press.

    Premonitions of dire consequences emerge from Europe

    Meanwhile in England were they are trying desperately to pass a draconian measure allowing for the 42 day imprisonment of any citizen without charges or access to bail.

    Lord West, adviser to Prime Minister Gordon Brown on national security says, “There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring. It dipped slightly and is now rising again within the context of severe. The threat is huge. We have done all the things that we need to do, but the threat is building – the complex plots are building,”

    Lord West like Biden, Albright and Powell does not elaborate on the precise details of the threat or the source of his intelligence information just that the situation is dire.

    Across the channel from England you have the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warning the press that he believes Israel will strike Iran before they can develope nuclear weapons completley ignoring the fact that the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed ElBradei, said that Iran lacks the key components to produce an atomic weapon.

    Israel is believed to have 300 to 400 tactical nuclear weapons ready for deployment at a moments notice and is under no real threat from Iran who has never attacked another nation and has a defense budget equivalent to 1% of the United States.

    It’s a miracle there hasn’t been a nuclear catastrophe

    Only a few hours ago Agence France-Presse published a press release about the Sydney meeting of the international Commission on Nuclear Non-proliferation and Disarmament presided over by Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd who said that the world is facing a threat that will dwarf the September 11 attacks.

    “The devastation that could be wreaked by one major nuclear weapons incident alone puts 9/11 and almost everything else [in] to the category of the insignificant,” Rudd said.

    Members of the commission warned of reaching an avalanche of danger due to the high number and general lack of control over nuclear devices and components.

    Former Australian Foreign Minister in the Labor Government Gareth Evans says it’s “really a bit of a miracle” referring to one the 13,000 to 16,000 nuclear weapons known to exist not being detonated, presumable by “terrorist” causing a catastrophe.

    What are they preparing us for?

    Why are there so many high level politicians around the world in a seemingly coordinated effort warning of huge threats and developing crisis’ that may include a nuclear device? Are they preparing the masses for an event or series of events that have been in the making for some time? Is the public being prepared for new and forming enemies with a potential to plunge the entire world into war?

    Prior to 9/11 William Kristol’s Project for a New American Century called for a “catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” to bring about a “transformational” change in U.S. foreign policy and military spending.

    Many believe a false flag strike on a major western city involving a nuclear device would be the Holy Grail to those who are working so hard to manifest “transformational” change on the world stage bringing with it the complete political, economic and military transformation toward fascist world government.

    Thank you for your work, Roberto. We have only a few hours left to do what we can to avert such a change to our beloved country.


  4. Anne, That is a very interesting reply to say the least? Good job on getting out of debt my home is all I owe and I am working on that. You said a couple of things that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

    “President Bush and other leaders of the world met. They met to discuss how maybe we need a new world order”

    You just stepped into a plithra of conspiracy theorys around the Bush/Cheney and PNAC

    “We are getting to the point where we are ripe for a dictatorship”
    administration. Not to mention gaffs by W. himself stating “it would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship, as long as I am the dictator” search it on Youtube your can watch it yourself.

    Along with Executive Directive 51, read it and then hold your kids tight. Its a little slip into the Patriot Act that was crammed down Americas throats, much like the Bailout. Nobody read it and everyone signed it.

    Not that with all the hate fill rhetoric on the internet currently there couldn’t possibly by any chance for some civil unrest Nov. 4th.

    Poke around on those two sites and although they are obviously just internet rumors… yada yada yada stuff.

    All I have to say is yikes. I hope your weekend is a great one.


  5. Vaughn,

    I don’t disregard all that you say. I also believe the storm is coming. I don’t agree with your politics or your belief that Obama is the answer. However, that does not mean that some of the things you have said are not true to a degree.

    Americans are tightening their wallets, and getting out of debt has been my goal this year. I’m almost there, thank the Lord. Our economic future is not bright, but all of these things coming to pass have been coming for years. This economic crisis is far from over and already on the news the other day, it was reported how President Bush and other leaders of the world met. They met to discuss how maybe we need a new world order to right this economic mess we are in.

    Once again I say, our world is crying out for a leader. We are getting to the point where we are ripe for a dictatorship, then what next? One thing I am glad of, and I don’t know whether you are religious or not, but my hope and my peace comes from knowing that I can’t go wrong; if only I invest my life, time and efforts in something that is eternal.

    Have a nice weekend everyone!



  6. Bill, “We try to keep them confined to the filth ridden cities of Eugene and Portland” My parents moved to Oregon when I was eleven, so I am not a native but I feel after 29 years that I can call myself an Oregonian. Apparently you and I just view people in a different light. I don’t find diversity objectionable, and the people that I live around are quite pleasant and friendly.

    I cannot claim to live ‘in’ Portland because I’m in the Suburbs of Portland. None the less when you visit you must go to different areas of the city than I frequent. I hunt, and fish, no pickup, new things do not intimidate like that. I guess I’m just secure like that. I’m sorry you hate 90% of the state, but to me that sounds like a personal problem.

    James, it is ironic about the dollar and its gains as temporary as it may be. Our money is not backed by anything anymore, simply put it is dependent on debt, and spending. That would probably be the main reason why after 9/11 we were told to go shopping by our fearless leader W.

    When gas went over $4 and many American’s figured out that they were a $1 bill away from bankruptcy, they put their credit cards back in their wallets. The excessive driving has stopped, eating out everyday has stopped, and people are tightening their belt everywhere. We are an economy based on spending, borrowing, and consumption. We do not manufacture anymore, except for housing, we do like a nice big home.

    A lot of people just found out that they never could afford the home they live in and with values going backwards are faced with a decision; stay or not. Their homes no longer being an asset, but a liability; so there will be those that walk away and others that do not, it will probably depend on how upside down they have become; by borrowing against it and banks being so willing to loan.

    The more people that walk away the deeper the financial crisis will become and since most homeowners pay their property taxes here in Oregon and other states with their payments, the States tax dollars will decrease, the money for roads and schools and every other State sponsored function is going to have less money. This will cause our local taxes to rise; I believe they want to increase it 21% here in Washington County at least that was the last number I heard.

    It has everything to do with a government that chooses for one reason or another to not pay attention to the products that the banks were selling to its Citizens. Mr. Greenspan testified on Thursday and said the error that was made in economic plan and the deregulation of the free market, was that no one accounted for the injection of greed. I keep a smile on my face every time a Pundit comes along and says in front of a judicial committee the things I have been talking about for a few weeks.
    You and others may dismiss what I am saying as if I knew nothing on the topic. That is fine I have no issue with that, those who know me well typically will listen as they have known me to be right in the past. Mark my words the storm is coming, the writing is on the wall. If you can get debt free I would highly recommend it. If not hold on tight because most credit cards have clauses that allow companies to raise your interest rates to whatever they like with no notification and little if any cause.


  7. Ironically, Dollar has gone up in this crisis. And when is the last time you saw your neighbor in a bread line? Let’s not over-react, and over-correct. Cars crash when they over-correct, as you suggest. Governments crumble when panic overrides principle.


  8. Hey Vaughn, I LOVE OREGONIANS, I dislike NEWCOMERS.
    MOST Oregonians are hunting, fishing, pickup driving good ol’ boys who don’t like the folks in Portland and Eugene because those two Sodom and Gomorrah’s determine the fate of the rest of the state.
    So, don’t misquote me bud, read it carefully.
    Native Oregonian


  9. Oh Anna, I am referring to the separation of wealth, history tells us that directly before the Great Depression that the separation of wealth in America is ironically similar then as now.

    Okay go there and you don’t even have to read the whole article, just get a feel for the conditions. Then come back and talk to me about how excited you are to continue down the same path we are currently on.


  10. So… are we Neo-Feudalist because we have disparaged or belittled Obama? Or, are you a Neo-Feudalist because you have disparaged or belittled McCain/Palin? Or, are both Presidential Candidates Neo-Feudalists because they have used pejorative terminology to belittle each other? 🙂


  11. This is the Official Statement on Education:

    Support High-Quality Schools and Close Low-Performing Charter Schools: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will double funding for the Federal Charter School Program to support the creation of more successful charter schools. An Obama-Biden administration will provide this expanded charter school funding only to states that improve accountability for charter schools, allow for interventions in struggling charter schools and have a clear process for closing down chronically underperforming charter schools. An Obama-Biden administration will also prioritize supporting states that help the most successful charter schools to expand to serve more students.

    You are correct I should not have used Fascism, I should have used Neofeudalism.
    Which means: literally means “New Feudalism” and implies a contemporary rebirth of policies of governance and economy reminiscent of those present in many pre-industrial feudal societies. The concept is one in which government policies are instituted with the effect (deliberate or otherwise) of systematically increasing the wealth gap between the rich and the poor while increasing the power of the rich and decreasing the power of the poor (also see wealth condensation). This effect is considered to be similar to the effects of traditional feudalism. The definition of the term is disputed and can be loosely employed as a pejorative term to attack political opponents.


  12. According to Merriam Webster….
    Main Entry:
    \fa-shi-zm also fa-si-\
    Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
    1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
    — fas•cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
    — fas•cis•tic \fa-shis-tik also -sis-\ adjective often capitalized
    — fas•cis•ti•cal•ly \-ti-k(-)lē\ adverb often capitalized

    Quite frankly, I see that definition emerging from the Obama campaign more so than any other. How? Oh, in small instances such as his pastor calling down the white man and glorifying the black man. (just to name one very small one) Another, in all of the references that have come up in this election to race more than any other election in my historical frame of existence. So say his economic plan were sound, which by the way, I don’t believe that it is. Economy aside, there are numerous other issues at risk.

    What about all of the other governmental controls he want to put into place such as making illegal such things as home-schooling and private education. “School Choice: Vouchers, Charters and Home Schooling McCain supports vouchers, home schooling, charter schools and generally any policy that helps parents choose the private or public school that they want their children to attend. School choice, McCain argues, will create market forces that will spur competition among schools, not just for students but for the best teachers. He has also said that he would expand federally funded vouchers called Opportunity Scholarships that would let more parents pick the school of their choice. Obama also wants to give parents more options when they pick a school for their children, but he would limit those choices to public charter schools. He does not support vouchers for children to attend private and parochial schools.”

    Those were two of the first things that Hitler shut down when he took office. Why? He wanted the children to attend Nazi schools so that they would be puppets of the government. America is now around 11th down on the list for education. I work in education and most educators hate the public school segment. Overworked and underpaid teachers who deal with kids and parents who offer no discipline at home. Therefore, the teacher goes through literal hell on earth in the process of educating the youth of this nation. Even public educators say the ones that can get the job done and do it well is the private/parochial school sector. So we shut all of those opportunities down and tell the parents they have no choice over how their children are educated and that their children MUST attend government schools? That is not dictatorial? And that is supposed to help the future of our nation?


  13. Mr. Friedman’s new book is “The World is Flat, Hot and Crowded” and I agree that a socialist government is not the answer I might add that Fascism is not currently working real well either. There needs to be a strong swing back to the left to even begin correcting the damage that the Bush Administration has done to our Country.


  14. Another interesting book to read in relation to much of this is “The World is Flat” by Thomas L. Friedman. The revised version is best. It does not necessarily predict completely what has happened to our nation. It does give great insight into how outsourcing and off-shoring plays into the whole jobless structure of things. It also shows how big power players, such as the Bill Gates of the world, do manipulate us small time players whether we like it or not.

    I still don’t agree that a socialist government is what is going to fix us though. Never have, never will. 🙂


  15. absolutely the big dogs on wall street get to keep their stuff whilst we little people might not (we as collective, not me personally, I am safe from losing my home)
    But you must also remember that the government interceded in years past to force companies into picking up huge chunks of crappy loan business in the name of some Great Society-esque move, encouraging others to do the same as well. By keeping lobbyist factions in Washington, they could keep the real accounting hidden, and if, or more truly, when it failed, they had everything they needed to implicate Washington, thereby guaranteeing that the government would have to step in, in order to cover their own butts for their complicit regulations requiring such a massive failed policy.


  16. Mike, that is not what happened at all. Regarding the bailout, I can break it down for you real easily. Do to deregulation of the banking industry and a lack of oversight in combination with lobbyist paying politicians, on both sides mind you, banks were allowed to enter into investment schemes that in the past were only allowed by brokerage house like Bear Sterns.

    What resulted was a huge number of high risk loans that were generated and pushed by banks and mortgage brokers. These loans were then package as Securities and given ‘A’ ratings by brokerage houses and sold globally. As these stated income, stated asset, no income verification loans sold on adjustable rates tied to volatile indexes started failing, so did banks. Only about 2% failed in the beginning and now we are around 6%.

    It was the illegal rating of the Securities that has caused this collapse. Yes there is a little more to it and you can point the finger in a lot of different directions because there is a lot of blame to go around but in a nutshell that is exactly what has caused this collapse. The knowledge by these Brokerage Houses that they were too big to fail, knowing that the government would have no choice but to inject money and save their asses carries the biggest burden of blame.

    In short they made a ton of money selling to garbage Securities that they knew would fail, then turned around and got a check from us to stop them from going belly up. No one on Wall Street is losing their home but I get to work with people everyday who are.


  17. Every Socialist Republic was created in the crisis of economic hard times. (In the US, we’ve introduced each time things from catastrophic social programs that outlived their need, to the income tax that is part of American culture now)Instead of wading through the storm on principle, they complained they weren’t as rich as they were a few years ago and “apparently” this system doesn’t work.

    You want China’s economic structure? Just remember that economics and political freedoms run hand-in-hand. The Government has been called to be the answer for education, and they’ve failed miserably (maybe because that’s not the role of Federal government)… and now we want to give them a stab at our pocket books, healthcare, and the more. Incredible.

    Governments don’t create jobs. Opportunities create jobs. Entrepreneurs, business owners, “rich, huge companies” create jobs. Without them there are no jobs. While you may see trouble with some due to greed, have you never seen greed interlaced with special interest government scandal? Yet you feel so much better about these brainless back-patters to have them control economics? Politicians can’t hold a bucket of water to the Steve Jobs, Bil Gates and Meg Whitman-type entrepreneurs. Take free shots at “trickle down” during tough times, but just rationally explain “trickle-up”. It doesn’t make sense.

    Oh… and you may want to read Atlas Shrugged sometime. It will enlighten you 🙂

    Have a good weekend everybody!


  18. As for the whole bailout? why it had to be done?? It didn’t….and it obviously isn’t working. We give AIG a bunch of money and they go on executive retreats right afterwards…dumb….the bailout has nothing to do with freemarket economy. We basically said “Hey, we (the government) made you screw the pooch, so let us (the government again, albeit with the people’s money) help you out. There’s no reason for you to fail for your constant mistakes. Let us make sure your self esteem is okay. That whole responsibility thing is too old fashioned! Don’t worry about that kind of nonsense…have some money!”
    I don’t know about yall, but I feel in the minority of my generation (I’m only 29) where, if you fouled up, you paid the piper! these days, my kid screws up, I can’t even think about making him pay for it in the same manner for fear they’ll take my kid away. Thank God for closed doors!!! LOL


  19. It’s not the sticking to the model that is the problem. It is the greed that has been engrained at the top. Any economic plan will fail if you insert greed. And when you have CEO’s making a 100 million or $350 million dollars a year, but are cutting health care for their worker, that becomes a problem. Of course that is only my opinion.

    Like I said before the trickle is no longer dripping and I have yet to hear a solution to get it flowing again, other than, let the free market work. Mean while we practice Socialism from the bottom up economics by writing really big checks to the ones that messed it up in the first place. Some of which are turning the money down because they imposed limits on CEO salaries? So remind me again why it HAD to be done?


  20. Well Vaughn, I would agree that the economic model is flawed, but basically because it is lacking in sticking with the true model it should be based on, and is injecting too much other nonsense into it. As for Mr. Bernanke, as intelligent as he is, I feel in my personal opinion, is part of the problematic people involved to begin with. Just an opinion, as I am not one of those wide ranging conspiracy nuts that thinks everyone in power has the ultimate master plan, like some people I talk to about politics. As for the market dropping, I’m sure it will……it ran wildly back during the Great Depression as well when government stuck their claws into almost everyting. You can take quotes and headlines from newpapers back then, and almost exactly apply them to today’s situation. Sadly, it wasn’t until our direct involvement in WWII that the depression actually ended. Hopefully it doesn’t take WWIII to stop things here.


  21. Bill, first of all I don’t have the distaste for Oregonians that you apparently do. I thing I like the most about living here is the people. They are the first to offer help to those in need and the last to ostracize someone for whatever belief one may or may not have. If that doesn’t work for you then I’m sure you do not fit well here.

    Mike, I agree that Congress has caused our current market situation with our current tax structure. Since they are the problem the only way to correct it is by legislation going in the other direction. I have yet to run into anyone that thinks ethanol is a great solution to anything and the more we learn the more we find out that it is a failed idea, the question becomes how to correct it as well. So we agree on that as well.

    Republicans keep telling me that the free market is going to fix and solve this, that we just need to give it time and this will happen. My question is when? It’s not happening now, and from what I can see there are no immediate plans by anyone other than Pickens willing to do anything. His plan also calls for massive government money injection like 600 billion; I do believe is what he asked for when addressing Congress.

    My other point would be that if the free market is working so well, Mr. Bernanke said yesterday that the current economic model is flawed in its lack of regulation. Watch the Market today it is going to drop like a rock. I don’t have the answers, but currently I’m not sure anyone does.


  22. First off, so you know…I’m in Iowa…the Forida thing was a trip to my sister’s wedding. I’m sure the recent blogs of mine throw off the impression.
    Secondly, in relation to government stepping in to force corporate’s hand….it’s the government who stepped in to ensure the money stayed in fewer hands to begin with, and that’s the gist of my long-winded last point. It isn’t all corporations themselves, in fact the majority of corporations work as they should, it’s just the handful or two of major corporations that dominate through past government intervention which prevents inventivenenss and true competition within certain realms. Take for instance, the ethanol mandate. It costs more energy than it produces, and despite the fact that with government subsidies it provides us Iowans with cheaper gasoline than most, (including it is about 10-15 cents cheaper than the non-ethanol blends per gallon), and produces more jobs locally, it’s still a bad idea worked into law by government, not true market initiave. Government intervention actually drives up costs through bureacratic measures, ensuring the poor will still have it harder, the rich will still be okay. Speaking of energy:
    Sorry to hear that about your bills. I currently am an apartment dweller sandwiched between a couple floors so winter is actually cheapest for me, with all the heat build up. It’s summer that drives my costs up to keep things cool.


  23. Uh oh, sister shirley, a member of the Socialist State of Oregon has found your blog.
    We try to keep them confined to the filth ridden cities of Eugene and Portland, but unfortunately every once in awhile, one of them escapes.
    Fortunately, they quickly scurry back to the liberal bastions they live in and the rest of us “good ol’ boys” in the rest of Oregon can get back to bidness as usual.
    As THE voice of Salem-Keizer, media voice that is, I am able to help these poor folks out now and then, but alas some are too far gone.
    Most of them come from the great state of Californication. They come here because “it’s sooooo pretty!!!!”. Soon they find out, that outside of those two cities the rest of the state is hillbillies (and we like it that way thank you) and they then find out it rains for 9 months and they bail out and go back to the “sun”.
    Soooo, carry on.


  24. Mike,

    That’s just it, the greed at the top is preventing the money flow down the pipeline. B.P. is the largest contributor to find alternative fuel spending 4% of their profits in alternative energy solution and that solution they are investing in is Natural Gas the only resource that we actually have less of the worlds supply than oil.

    If corporations would invent we would not have to rely on a Government to step in and force the hand of the corporations. We don’t have to worry about a backslide with McCain because he will not change direction, he thinks everything is okie doke. I don’t know about down there in Florida, but up here in Oregon our Gas Companies just requested a 37% increase to our heating costs this winter. Going strictly off of my last years bill, I’m not looking forward to telling my kids well you see Santa can’t come down the chimney because the heater bill went up $166 and Daddy’s check didn’t.

    Again you can’t apply trickle down economics to a country where the trickle isn’t dripping.


  25. Vaughn,
    Here I believe you and I part ways in agreeing on methodology. Invent baby invent…absolutely, I agree. However, it is government intervention which makes invention incalculably and nearly impossible for anyone other than those with all the money to help out with this. Granted, non-capitalistic businessmen helped via trade associations to devise rules and regulations that provided cost overruns inhibiting better technology or servies from coming forth through new players, essentially helping to form these so-called monopolistic powers. Had the government not so willfully jumped onto this bandwagon, the idea of achieving welath and prosperity through the American Dream would have been far more likely for your average Joe or Jane. Some more modern prohibitive costs have been introduced through ACLU backed legislations (yes the ACLU does do some good things, but when you most often hear their name called it is because they left the common sense at home when pursuing certain ideas)
    And as for the government creating jobs?? well that would then only serve to increase necessary money into the government via taxes to pay those bills as well. With increased taxation on the remaining value producers (implicitly different than non-capitalist big business owners like Enron, and many other corrupt businesses, who enjoy unearned power instead of actually profitting on their own merits without subsidies and other governmental help), the value producers will be sufficiently penalized for any type of success, and thusly unable to expand and provide for real job growth, technological advancements, and other value-added activities that truly contribute to the advancement of all society.
    Through this plan, all the tax cuts for the poor in our country will be for naught, as they will still remain poor; the middle class will dissipate downward instead of cycling upward as they should, and the welath concentration will be forced into even fewer hands outside of the government. and while I don’t necessarily believe Obama’s intention is to increase the percentage of poor people in our country, I don’t think he honestly evaluates the figures and facts to fully realize this unintended consequence of greatly spoken of ideals.
    I’m not saying John McCain would fair all that well on economic issues, but I think the overall backslide would be lessened in comparison to Obama’s plan.


  26. Anna,

    I am not a big fan of socialism but in the words of Marriner Eccles, FDR’s Chairman of the Fed, after the Great Depression – In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped.

    The pendulum has swung so far right that in order to get it anywhere near the middle again we are going to need to go to the left. If we go even further to the right it will stick and the Middle-Class will never see it again.

    We have been here before, tax cut’s for Billionaire’s is not going to get us out of this.

    We need a New Deal again, a Green Energy New Deal. We need to Government to create jobs to get our economy going again. There are no more jobs we lost 159,000 last month and I think the latest figure this month is 60,000ish so far. Drill baby Drill is Dumb baby Dumb. The mantra should be Invent Baby Invent. But we will not get this for John McCain or Sarah Palin.


  27. Vaughn,

    In reference to Obama’s communistic/socialistic leanings: It makes for interesting reading with even a little more digging. This is just one instance and one area of interest regarding Obama’s continued study and perusal of Communist and Socialist leadership styles. Do you not think that these connections and educational factors are going to contribute and play a part in his leadership style? America is in enough trouble without having to face even the most remote possibility of digressing into such potentially destructive government leadership.

    No, I don’t think McCain and Palin have all the answers either. I hope that I am not so naive. Know what’s scary about that? Study history, when a nation gets to the point they are so confused over choosing leadership, it typically leads to anarchy. Following that we are in a prime state for a dictatorship. That is not my theology, that is simply the patterns of leadership, or the lack thereof, throughout history.

    I do agree with you about Bush’s socialistic move with his 850 Billion Bailout Plan. Absolutely ridiculous. However, Congress, Senate and BOTH presidential candidates had much to do with that also. It was not a one man show. However, to take from the rich to give to the poor does not work either. No matter what, time will tell the tale.



  28. Anna,
    Obama has, in the news (Google it) discussed meeting with communist leaders. Like Kim Jong-Il? Or does he not count? Our economy like China’s (communist) are dependent on one another so to say that we shouldn’t have discussions with Communist is not only naive, it’s blind.
    George W. Bush the current Socialist in office has pulled of the biggest Marxist move in American History by nationalizing the banks, not to mention that Socialism can go both ways only we currently are using the take from the middle class tax payer and give it to Wall Street. I wonder if it will work in the other direction as well. Take it from the rich and give it to the poor. Its a little Robin Hoody, I like it. The greed at the top is not letting go anymore and in four more years if left to business as usual, how many people do you think will still have employee benefits of any kind?
    Someone really needs to explain to me how stripping the middle-class is somehow beneficial to our Country? Please anyone help me out here. I understand the dream of being wealthy, but unless you have an interview to be the CEO of a major corporation you are safe from this scenario.


  29. renaissanceguy

    Whatever spin one puts on it, three things about Biden’s comments scare me.

    (1) The scariest part is that people are supposed to blindly trust Barack Obama, no matter what he does. Not because of anything–just because he’s THE ONE.

    (2) The second scariest part is his absolute guarantee that an international crisis will occur. I don’t really want one. Does anyone else? I’d rather have a president who would keep people from generating a crisis than on who would inspire them to do so.

    (3) Finally, for Biden to so undercut his running mate’s campaign doesn’t inspire me to have much confidence in Biden’s ability to lead. Does he want people to vote AGAINST his running mate.


  30. P.s. I think everyone has a “nut bag” tendency in their psychological make-up. 😀 It just depends on who is looking at who, as to who thinks who is a nut bag. As for me, it is late here and this nut bag is headed to bed. ;D


  31. Vaughn,

    I disagree with you that the terms of socialism, communism, terrorism and racism should not be used when speaking of governing the highest office in our nation. I, as a citizen with constitutional rights, have a duty to thoughtfully research a candidate and make a judgment regarding how I feel about them, according to my research.

    Obama has, in the news (google it) discussed meeting with communist leaders. Any somewhat educated individual can see “Marxist Ideologies” written all over his ideas of government, which is consistent with Socialism. He does have factual ties to Raila Odinga of Kenya who does terrorize non-muslim constituents in his nation (define terrorism). And, Obama has made, himself, as many or more references to race this election as any other candidate or the public in general. All of these things can be found in news articles and news reports documented throughout the election.

    If you saw the environment I grew up in you would understand that I am one of the least racist individual’s you had ever been around. ☺ I could personally care less what race my candidate is. Issues are much more important to me. Moral issues are a very key component of my decision for a candidate. Whether you agree with that is unimportant to me with all due respect.

    You have every right to disagree with me and we will agree to disagree. ☺ However, his ideologies and mine definitely do not match up and I will not hesitate to mention that fact. Just, as you do not hesitate to call me a nutbag (so much for name throwing). ☺ Thankfully we still have the right to free speech here in this great nation, hmmm?



  32. James Wilder

    Helen, I get it, let’s not be xenophobes, these people are real, normal people like you and I. Blah….

    Let’s get off the Muslim train. Not an issue to me, at least primarily. And yes, I’ve known several. I do live in USA, particularly in California. A friend, whose wedding I was in recently, was a former Muslim from Turkey, now attending an Apostolic church in Canada. There certainly is common ground. I don’t hate anyone, so please don’t paint my political preferences as a position of hate. That’s an unfair and hypocritical characterization.


  33. I still believe Obama is a Muslim in disguise. A news article in said if Obama gets elected he will silence his critics. That don’t sound like the land lf the free that sounds more like socialistic dictorshop.
    Bro Webb


  34. Greg the explorer

    Brother Webb only seems to post ridiculous and racist comments – an absolute opposite to the grace, acceptance and mercy found in the gospel


  35. BTW, Helen, I haven’t personally heard many people talking about if he’s Muslim or not lately. Most of it, at least from the candidates, has been about his background and associations. That’s fair game to me.
    Most conservatives don’t support because he’s… NOT CONSERVATIVE *slaps forehead* duh!
    In fact, he’s the most leftist Presidential candidate in modern times.


  36. Sis. Shirley Buxton, pardon my loquacious dialogues on your blog. I don’t mean to hijack your post. These are supposed to be comments.

    I think sometimes Christians get the rap that meekness should mean passive, ecumenical, watered-down idealogy.

    Thank God for a country where we can have this discussion openly without fear. This is why most of my own blogging tends to be about eternal things.


  37. Great to hear about the market up there. Sounds like you love your job. You also sound like a decent guy to sit down and talk with. My in-laws are residents of Coos Bay, OR but are soon moving to Winatchee.

    Interesting comments about “bottom up” economy. I’ve heard much criticism about the “trickle down” economics, but little sensible, rational explanations about how “trickle up” economics works. But that’s another topic for another day, I guess.

    Lord Bless you in Portland.


  38. Helen, I grew up as one of only a couple white boys in my elementary school and middle school classrooms. I lived and breathed in a racism world on a daily basis. I see what ignorance does to people, no matter was race you are.

    I think what’s frightening to me is that Barack, if he is Muslim, would lie about it. Some are concerned because Islam carries a worldview with it that is not representative of America, and it would be at least a piece of evidence into my judgement of his ideas, particularly his ideas of foreign policy with Israel. It’s not something that rules him out, but it’s worth consideration.

    Vaughn, you are certainly reading into McCain’s comments, and I mean really reading into his comments, even if you are giving me a direct quote. I can’t speak for 100 million Americans, and thank God they have the freedom to speak what they want. I’m not calling Obama a terrorist, but I question his judgement and form opinions of others by those whom they run with.
    I think some are being pretty sensitive about the racism issue here.

    You can’t group together every criticism coming from people at a campaign rally just like I can’t judge you guys by every freako leftist group out there. Some things are facts. We won’t let the labels of “racists” or “un-Christian” mute us. We are so beyond that. The color line was washed away with the blood of Christ.

    Here’s your glasses back.


  39. I looked at you site and liked it very much, I think you may have thought my earlier post was directed your way it was actually a response to Anna and Brother Robert Webb. I’m sorry if you felt it was directed at you. I do sometimes take offense at those that comment about the fear of ideas and race. I don’t feel that those type of ideals have a place in todays world. I know that not everyone feels that way, but you obviously have a wonderful grasp of harmony and peace. God Bless.


  40. James,
    The Real Estate Market in Oregon has actually only begun to decline in the last 3 or 5 months. We tend to lag behind the rest of the Nation when it comes to home values. We are very stubborn in the NW and have an Urban Growth Boundary that limits the amount of new construction that can take place. So we have lost only about 10% so far, but I think that we will lose 10-20 more before it is all done here. Only time will tell and the moves currently being made in Washington are not what I believe the markets here and Nationally need. They have attacked the housing crisis the same way they attack everything, from the top up. Raising FHA loan limits while taking away first time home buyer assistance programs. Real Estate is a bottom up industry, 1st time creates 2nd time and right on up. I could be mistaken but the majority of my clients trade up not down.


  41. dean

    It sounds to me like Mr. Biden is warning America….. When the closet Moslem take over, gird your loins. Remember who put him in office. God help America.


  42. Here James, try these glasses on. At one of John McCain’s rallies a woman stated that Obama was a Muslim. John replied “No Ma’am, he is not a Muslim, he is a good person.” Please explain to me through your glasses how that could be construed any other way than to say Muslims are not good people.

    I also find the accusations that he is somehow a terrorist disturbing, and hate incensing rhetoric that has no place in an election for the highest office in the land. Anyone with any thinking power at all would know that if he had any ties to terrorism that he would not be where he is today.

    Lastly to say that Collin Powell, whom at one time was being pushed and prodded to be a Presidential Candidate, now endorsing Barack Obama is only doing so because of race. Collin Powell gave several excellent reasons why he supported him and why he was not supporting McCain, yet they painted him on Rush, Hanity as being a racist. It is not only wrong it is shameful. What color are your glasses now?


  43. Vaugn your accusations are entirely baseless. There’s racism from both sides of the ticket this time around. Follow around Jesse Jackson or Louis Farakhan and you’ll find out. Fear bating is a mischaracterization of people asking America to really examine the candidate they are sold-out for, do you really know him? That’s a fair question. It’s pertinent to McCain’s campaign because he contrasts that with much experience.

    Helen, Separation of Church & State, as is carelessly interpreted today, is a Consitutional myth, and you should know that. God is not compartmentalized as one area of our lives. He’s everything. Because you may choose to vote Barack Obama is not a litmus test for Christianity. In the end, it ultimately doesn’t matter with eternal things. Us “evil, racist” Christian conversatives just happen to view the political world in a different way…. personal accountability, small government, and with a lense that doesn’t wink to domestic baby killing. We don’t think McCain is the answer to all things… but many Obama people do feel that way about their candidate. Vote for who you wish. My Christian worldview, on some issues, keeps me from voting Obama, and in other issues my political lense about how what I see as the proper role of government keeps me from voting Obama as well.

    Fair enough?


  44. I believe that you probably are Helen. I know that change can mean a lot of things, but to believe that racism is okay is just to Christian. The McCain/Palin campaign is nothing but hate, fear and racism and to support that, in my opinion points to your values as well as theirs.


  45. Sister Buxton;
    I heard that since the illegals are slipping in throigh our borders that the Teleban and Muslims have disguised themselves as buisness men and they dress like Americaans that Barack Obama is a Muselin in disguise posing as a Senator and now a Presidentual candite.
    Brother Webb


  46. Esther

    I am convinced that Obama picked Biden just so he, himself, would look so much smarter. I am fearful for my grandchildren if such a man as Obama becomes our president. I am too old to be fearful for myself. I’m also fearful that God is getting pretty tired of putting up with all this ungodlyness. Remind you of something else?


  47. What test do you think Sarah Palin would face if heaven forbid something were to happen the 72 year old John McCain? I for one would not want to even pretend that a scenario like that would not make me hold my children at night for fear of what or Nation would endure.


  48. Joe Biden is saying, after we elect Obama (assuming we do) and that he is sworn in as POTUS that a situation will occur that will make people second guess their vote and maybe even Obama himself, because change can be confusing. He is warning us not let this knowledge keep us from doing what we know is right (voting for Obama). But we must be prepared to stand the course. “Gird up your loins” means prepare oneself for a fight. The word fight means a testing, not necessarily a war. He is saying that if (when) Obama is elected and sworn in, the world will not suddenly be free of problems. Obama will be tested, and voters may doubt—thinking they should have chosen otherwise—but in the long run, they will have chosen wisely.

    Biden is using Biblical imagery to speak prophetically. He’s saying just because the future will hold setback doesn’t mean we’ve chosen the wrong leader. He isn’t talking about Obama making a “wrong decision” but rather one that will be difficult or misunderstood. Everything Biden is saying is shows that Obama is just a man. None of this Messiah-non-sense for him. Obama is a man with a vision for America, nothing more, nothing less.

    I know you will hate this, Shirley, but having faith in the future seems to parallel making a decision to live as a Christian no matter what. Right now few Christians are coming to my blog. So, should I change my story? I don’t think so. Why is it conservative Christians think they understand the Bible more than others? Separation of church and state doesn’t mean segregate the sections of your brain; it means there’s a time and a place for given activities.


  49. Sis. Buxton,

    That is sort of terrifying. Does this mean that we must influence our communities to embrace socialism, communism, terrorism, racism and who knows what else? Is Biden warning us not to have a dissenting thought in our head, but to just buckle up and get on board? Is he giving us an advance notice that Obama is going to topple everything this nation has worked torwards and we are just supposed to say “Oh well, you MUST be right?” What are the repercussions awaiting those Americans who refuse to be a puppet on a string or who simply are not going to jump on the Obama train? Wake up already America!!

    You should see the youth pouring in my office to get registered to vote for this man. I should also share with you an email a military friend sent to me from a discussion on military forums. A discussion regarding the concerns of Congress regarding a revolution in our nation following the possible outcomes of this election. Scary days ahead of us. We definitely need to the Lord to be with us, guide us and keep us strong no matter what lies ahead.



  50. I believe very much that one of those regime who would rejoice at the collapse of America will bring pressure to bear, somewhere or in some way, to test the new President. SHOULD Mr. Obama be that man, LOOK OUT, is my fear. They will bring a real threat to our way of life. Should Mr. Obama fail to make a positive and decisive decision? There will be repeated acts or test.
    This my opinion and mine only;



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